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will hurt our economy and will cost american jobs. republicans have taken action to avert the fiscal cliff by passing legislation to stop all the tax hikes. to replace the sequester, and pave way for -- pave the way for tax reform and entitlement reform. and we're the only ones with a balanced plan to protect the economy, protect american jobs, and protect the middle class from the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts and entitlement reforms, it's going to be impossible to address our country's debt crisis. and get our economy going again and to create jobs. so right now, all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president, congressional democrats, to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i'll take a few questions. >> speaker boehner, why will you not tell democrats what specific spending cuts you would like to see, especially within en titlements? >> it's been very clear over the last year-and-a-half, i've talked to the president about many of them. you can can look at
's time i explain to these good people about the fiscal cliff. think of the economy as the car and the rich man as the driver. if you don't give the driver all the money, he'll drive you over a cliff. it's just commonsense. >> finally someone on the right willing to tell the truth. but here's the thing. this time it doesn't matter if mr. burns, speaker boehner, or the tea party try to hold the american people hostage just to get what they want. the president isn't going to budge. >> so i want to sq thank you both for coming on the show tonight. congresswoman, let me start with you. is the gop serious about holding the economy hostage again just to get what they want? >> well, think about the cards that they are holding. they are in favor of tax cuts for the rich. they want to cut tax care programs and medicare and make seniors pay and threaten the economy of the united states of america by defaulting on payments or at least to threaten that. this is not a very popular position among the public. in fact, they will be -- i think it's a suicide mission that they are on, that the a
with president obama tuesday to discuss the soda ash called fiscal cliff and its impact on states and the economy. -- the so-called fiscal clef. members of the national governors' association spoke to reporters but the white house for about 15 minutes. >> good morning, everybody. i am the chair of the national governors' association, the governor of the telephone, -- of delaware, joined by the governor of oklahoma, the vice chair. and we are also joined by the governors of wisconsin and arkansas. we are three democrats and three republicans. we just had what i would say it was a very good meeting with the president. the issues we face as governors and states are considered as part of the discussions going on in washington. the president was very open. we talked about some of the issues we focus on as governors, one of those same opportunities for flexibility, in terms of some of the programs we partner with the federal government. he was open to that as well. and there is an impact not just from the fiscal issues, but the issues in terms of how the discussions here will impact the economy's back
house at the business roundtable about the economy. fiscal cliff certainly the issue in the short term for a lot of big businesses and certainly for a lot of american taxpayers. however, long term is another story when it comes to the economy, and entitlements, the president referring to that as well. as we continue to get that feedback you can check it out foxnews.com, in the meantime we're going to move onto other news as well. >> reporter: and so let's begin with the violence that is appearing to really spiral out of control. secretary of state hillary clinton says she fears a desperate president bashar al-assad in syria may resort to using chemical weapons on his own people. in the meantime, the united nations is hint thag there wil hinting that there will be no asylum for bashar al-assad as the syrian dictator makes it clear that he will die before leaving the country under any circumstances. what is going on behind the scenes, for that we turn to corn powell following all the latest developments from our mideast bureau in jerusalem. connor. >> reporter: the international and inte
goal is to let this country go over the fiscal cliff because he wants the economy to fail because he wants president obama to fail. john boehner, again, i think the worst speaker ever, it's a time for leadership, not for playing political games. american people have spoken. this is a time for leadership. i think if john boehner is unwilling to lead, we've got to put pressure on him to get the hell out of the way. fish or cut bait. get the hell out of the way. he has no backbone. he has no balls. he is a lousy, lousy leader. he is a looser. i think we ought to start putting the pressure on him. let's pick a fight today with john boehner. it's not picking a fight with boehner. it's just doing something to save this country. so, peter, how do people -- i call on you join me in call okay john boehner lead or get out of the way. >> peter: if you want to send him an e-mail speaker.gov/contact. you can send it to him. if you are on twitter >> bill: speaker.gov spiritists we are tweeting this as well. if you are on twitter he is tweeting @speakerboehner,
own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> speaker boehner doesn't want to propose spending cuts, so now he's trying to pressure the white house to do it. >> there's been no serious discussion of spending cuts so far. and unless there is, there's a real danger of going off the fiscal cliff. >> a reporter asked senate majority leader harry reid about speaker boehner's comments. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> and, of course, another day more republicans dumping grover norquist. among nebraska and is iowa republicans, most of them told the world herald this week they could support a broad budget agreement, even if the deal ends up including higher tax revenues. i won't have a problem with letting those tax rates go up, representative mike simpson said to reuters. but new york congressman chr
, anything? >> reporter: you know this. the fiscal cliff is going to have a huge impact on the economy. in fact, a big european economic group this week dialed back its estimates for u.s. economic growth this year. and other economists are warning that things may not be so rosie, partly because of concerns about the cliff. now, businesses are already cutting back, even though corporate profits are up. and when you look at today's report, here's the interesting part, carol. government spending, federal government spending is a huge reason why the economy grew in q3. it rose 9.5%. but here's the thing. if you slash that government spending, if and when the fiscal cliff goes into effect, that can really eat into gdp and is part of the reason the congressional budget office has said if we do go over the cliff, the u.s. could go back into a recession. carol? >> alison kosik at the new york stock exchange. >>> well, someone is waking up this morning as a multimillionaire. winning tickets for the powerball's record-breaking $580 million jackpot were sold in arizona and missouri. last night's
in our economy. once we resolve the cliff, we need long-term fiscal reduction so that businesses can climb to the future. to get families and businesses certainty, we must agree in the next few weeks on specific spending cuts and specific revenue increases that reduce the deficit to avoid the fiscal cliff. we should not put off the hard decisions with gimmicks or with triggers. that is what got us here in the first place. it is time to bite the bullet and make the tough decisions and make them now. the first thing we should do is immediately and permanently extend the middle-class tax cuts. this will provide needed certainty to america's families and businesses and markets. this decisive action will ensure millions of american families do not see a tax hike of more than $2,000 starting next month. any agreement must also include a long-term extension of the debt ceiling. america cannot afford another debilitating fiscal showdown. has to be a package deal. then we need to enact a long term and, granted the solution. the most serious plan to recommend $4 trillion in deficit reductions
will also make the case that this fiscal cliff will have a negative impact on the overall economy and he will push these business leaders to support his approach. soledad? >> dan lothian, in washington, d.c., for us, thank you. >>> just a few minutes we'll be chatting with stephanie cutter, the woman who helped manage president obama's re-election campaign. we'll talk more about the fiscal cliff. >>> first a look at other stories that are making news today. zoraida has that for us. >> good morning to you. the death toll in the philippines is rising this morning. typhoon bopha moving toward beach resorts in the northern part of the country and right now it is packing winds over 90 miles an hour. that storm has already caused massive flooding and landslides in the southern philippines. dozens of buildings have been destroyed and the death toll stands at 133 with hundreds more still missing. >>> meantime in rain soaked seattle there are concerns about more mudslides. meteorologist karen maginnis joins us live from atlanta with the latest. they cannot get a break. >> they really can't, and f
the biggest thing we need to do to grow our economy. let's quit having these fiscal cliffs. and let's not be threatening government shut downs. let's sit down in a good faith effort and that's what president obama is not doing. he's back on the campaign trail which will is unfortunate. he should be in washington here sitting down in a good faith effort to try and grow the economy. because that's ten times more effective. >> senator, what are the odds that you think we reach an agreement before january 1st? >> that's just hard to say. there are enough republicans that are showing a willingness and i'm certainly willing to sit down with anybody who is willing to negotiate in between faith. my guess is we probably will get it solve, but i hope item not done in a way that harps tms th economy. but the president has to show us his balanced plan. >> as you said yourself, probably not the way to do to negotiate either on television or in front of everybody. that's probably happening behind the scenes. >> becky, that's not negotiating. that's called putting your plan on the table. republica
disasters. we don't need to navigate the fiscal cliff. that will hurt the economy. when the economy is bad, less people travel commercially for leisure, less people send packages. it hurts us and again, razor thin profit margin, we need a good economy, we need the economy good overt long haul. it's good for business. >> gretchen: do you think they were actually listening to what you had to say? >> i think they were. >> gretchen: really? >> yeah. i think it was a good discussion because the business radio he said were talking about what the impact of going overt cliff would be and also with a it would be down the line. >> gretchen: but so much, nick, of what's been discussed in the press is only about increasing taxes. you just got done talking about the fact that a stool falls over unless you have the other legs there. did you get the sense in these insider talks that people are actually going to take on entitlement reform? >> i think behind the scenes talk, yes. right now there is a lot of public posturing going on and that, i think, i personally think that's a problem because in the nego
. so the question is is the president serious about avoiding the fiscal cliff. we know pain in this country is bad on the economy. it would only broad and deep fn we hit a double dip recession. is the president serious about avoiding that cliff and if not, why not. i think some people are wondering -- megyn: do you think it is a matter of principle for the president? chris fire walt cam -- chris stt with a piece to say it's an ideological commitment on the part of the president to make the rich pay more and to give others more. for him it's an ideological mission to take the money from high income and give to it people who don't have as much. >> i agree with chris he said that. that's what he wants to do. but the curious part to me is you had quite a few lawmakers on the republican side of the isle start t --side of the aisle stao crack. they are willing to come to table and play ball. but the president is on the campaign trail and upping the states with totally ludicrous suggestions and plans like the one if you can call it that, the one he put out last week which is totall
. and provides a 6-point explanation to back it up. is the economy headed for that fiscal cliff? is all of this negotiating dead in the water? let's bring in our panel. monica crowley, radio talk show host and author of monomemo.com. jewelry roginsky former political advisor to senator frank lautenberg of new jersey. both fox news contributors. you say the president is not interested in compromise at all? >> no. i have just wrote a whole book about this called, what the bleep just happened. i traced first four years of his presidency. anytime he proposed a economic proposal or physical proposal it contained the exact same elements, which is tax hikes, more spending, not less, no entitlement reform and pushing up the debt limit as far and as fast as possible. this should come as no big surprise here. it is not a big mystery who this guy is. a pure leftist ideologue who will not compromise. jon: julie, he ran a platform saying let's raise the two top tax rates in this country. if he did that would raise $850 billion in revenue. he is asking for a trillion six. he is asking for twice what
and washington continues to push america's economy toward a fiscal cliff. republicans offered president obama a proposal that retained the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, and now they say the ball is in the president's court. >> this week we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis. now we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> both sides promise to cut trillions from government spending over the next decade, but the republicans insist they can do it without raising taxes on the rich. president obama insists that's a nonstarter. he shared his message with rich folks at the business round table. he told them they could handle paying more in taxes. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that will affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. >> business round table is a lobby group made up of some of the country's biggest ceos, ceos of some of the country's bigg gt companies. if you don't know what the fiscal cliff is, you've probably been li
direction. host: and that was the new g.o.p. conference secretary voicing her thoughts on the fiscal cliff negotiations yesterday. and we want you to address the issue of what the g.o.p. is raising, which is address the spending problem. 202 is the area code for our numbers. that's our question this morning in this first segment of the "washington journal." you can also contact us via social media and email. you can make a comment on our facebook page, and finally send us a tweet. here is the hill newspaper from this morning. g.o.p. forget tax rates in talks on the deficit, let's look at the spending. the speaker's swift rejection of an idea floated by representative tom cole of oklahoma, a respected party strategist and former chair of the house g.o.p. campaign committee came as the republicans voiced increasing concerns over the debate of the so-called fiscal cliff. boehner said it's time for them to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. republicans complain that for all the talk of coming up with a balanced budget plan, he has made little effort to identify specif
leads us away from jobs and growth. the reason the fiscal cliff is dangerous is because it's too much deficit reduction too quickly that would suck demand out of the economy. more jobs and growth will help the deficit. recall the '90s when the clinton administration balanced the budget because of faster job growth than anybody expected bringing in more tax revenues than anyone had forecast. europe offers the same lesson in reverse. thank you. as jim says, every time we talk about this, they keep taking the wrong -- lindsey graham said we're going to be greece. yeah, if we do what you want! the best way to generate jobs and growth is for the government to spend more, not less. and for taxes to stay lor owe become lower on the middle class. so you know, just -- >> roosevelt made that mistake in 1937 when the deficit hawks were saying we gotta slow this thing down. things started reverting to the depression era. levels and he quickly changed course. >> stephanie: rise finishes by saying most of the media have boug
on the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the american people back to work. it's a wrong approach. >> stephanie: which one was that? >> that was six. >> stephanie: okay. no, i wanted 8. >> the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes. calls for a little -- not even $400 billion in cuts and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. >> not serious. >> so right now we're almost nowhere. >> stephanie: here's the reason why we're almost nowhere. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] boehner declines to name certain entitlement cuts. asked what specific cuts over the fiscal cliff he pointed reporters to previous budgets declining to name further -- >> stuff. >> stephanie: then he said there is a stalemate because -- >> stalemate. do not put anything on the
the fiscal cliff. but without spending cuts an entitlement reforms it will be impossible to address our country's debt ace crisis and get our economy growing again and create jobs. right now all eyes are on the white house. our country doesn't need a victory lap, it needs leadership. it is time for the president, congressional democrats, to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. with that i will take a few questions. >> speaker boehner, why would you not tell democrats what spending cuts you would like to see -- [inaudible] >> it has been very clear over the last year-and-a-half. i've talked to the president about many of them. you can look at our budget. where we outline very specific proposals that we passed in last year's budget and the budget from the year before. we know what the menu is. what we don't know is what the white house is willing to do to get serious about solving our debt crisis. >> [inaudible]. >> listen, i'm not going to get into the details but it is very clear what kind of spending cuts need to occur but we have no idea what the
who refuses to compromise on the fiscal cliff. now, we know that attitude didn't work well with voters when republicans held the debt ceiling hostage last year, but now with the economy showing signs of life this week, the question becomes will they again place ideology above country? for more we go to julian epstein, a democratic strategist and professor michael eric dyson of georgetown university and an msnbc political analyst. welcome to you both. professor dyson, the economy appears to be rebounding. gdp was better in the third quarter than we thought, up from 2% to 2.7%. and by one estimate new home sales this year will be up 8%, and yet conservatives advise us to place ideology first. now, do they realize what that could do to this country come january and that it will plunge the nation into a certain depression? >> martin, they realize it, but i'm afraid they don't care. the reality is -- >> do you really believe that, professor dyson? >> i absolutely do. i believe this, i believe they are so mon know maniacal about pursuing their ideological beliefs they would defer even the fa
sounds] >> if the president really wants to avoid sending the economy over the fiscal cliff he's done nothing to demonstrate it. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues it's magic beans and fairy dust. [farting sounds] >> stephanie: all right. >> fairy dust goes very well with bourbon. >> stephanie: republicans were quick to say that boehner's plan was attracting criticism from the right particularly from jim demint of south carolina, tea party leader and as such, represented more of a compromise than obama's stance. uh no! nice try. demint said boehner's plan will destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend more. oh, please we're not falling for this. they think if they criticize the plan, oh, well it must be a good compromise then. nice try! 29 minutes after the hour. spongebob squarepants tom kenny, our buddy our pal next on "the stephanie miller show." you know who's coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys w
discussing the fiscal cliff. i think the shared concerns of governors that we address are fiscal challenges in a way that ensures the economy continues to grow and create jobs. with that, i'll take your questions. >> thanks, jay. two questions. in the bloomberg interview, the president was asked whether tax rates on the wealthiest americans have to go to the clean ton levels, 39.6% now. is that a red line? he never answered it directly, a process where rates could go down next year as far as tax reform. you talked with fiscal rates need to go up. what he campaigned on was the 39.6 at the end of the year. is that the case? >> so, let me say this, the president has been absolutely clear, as have i, that rates have to go up on top earners, on millionaires and billionaires, those making over $250,000. the president made that clear all yearlong and clear in the post-election period being engaged in conversations with congress about how to deal with the fiscal cliff, and our long term deficit challenges. we have yet to see even an acknowledgement of republican leaders of the fact that there is no
the crux of this fiscal cliff negotiation -- what these fiscal cliff negotiations are all about. they're about fairness. when the president and congressional democrats talk about the need for balanced approach, to deficit reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and my colleague congressman tim walls, filed a discharge petition today to take the bill that we have, that has already passed the senate, that grants certainty to the middle class, to take that bill up and make sure that we can extend the middle class tax breaks before the holidays where we can give -- that's what everyone agrees on. i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i can assure you, the
about the u.s. economy. i think consumers are where it's at. we just got to get over this fiscal cliff thing. >> jonathan capehart. >> i learned president morsi of egypt is fanatical about "planet of the apes." >> that is really all you need to know. jonathan, thank you so much. rana, steve, michael and everybody, thank you for watching today. if it's "way too early," it's "morning joe." chuck todd is next with "the daily rundown." >>> together again. mitt romney makes his way to the white house. it's not exactly the way he wanted to get there. but can something constructive come out of a private lunch between president obama and the man he defeated just three weeks ago? that's right. that was just three weeks ago. >>> also this morning, a deep dive into america's longest war. look into lessons learned and the sacrifices made by troops at one combat outpost. tell us about what's been accomplished and what's not in more than a decade of fighting. as the country wakes up obsessed with numbers and winners, for the lottery, that, we've got a very important update on the election night numb
with the fiscal cliff and there's hot rhetoric to go around. >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue. >> in order for us to raise the amount of revenue that's needed just by closing deductions and loopholes for high earners we'd have to, for example, eliminate or severely cap the char itible deduction. >> an obsession to raise taxes not going to solve the problem. what will solve the problem is doing something about the entitlements, taking on the wasteful spending in washington. >> and meantime, "the new york times" jonathan wiseman reports behind the scene republican leaders are considering the president's plan to extend middle class tax cuts now an address the debt and spending in the new year. here's republican senator tom coburn on "morning joe." >> actually, i would rather see the rates go up than the other way and greater chance to broaden the base in the future. >> do something, a down payment on cuts, on investments and revenue this year. and then in the
.5, that is a severe recession. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff with no policy changes the near-term negative economic consequences would be significant and most assuredly throw us into a recession. >> comes a day after treasury secretary tim geithner told cnbc the white house is prepared to go the distance if its demands are not met. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again we see there's no agreement that done involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. remember it's only 2%. >> former senator alan simpson, co-founder of the fix the debt campaign, choice words and analysis for would-be cliff jumpers. >> when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying, i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff, wealthy it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. this is big-time stuff. >> surprising exactly no one, senator mitch mcconnell
in america? >> you know, this will have a big saying in whatever they vote to do to avoid the fiscal cliff. tea party type groups saying it is going too far in raising revenues which is interesting because ryan is considered to be a hero to many in the tea party movement. >> some conservatives actually complaining because it was news to them, the boehner plan and the people who signed it, it didn't include enough different points of view, enough people in the party. all right. paul steinhauser, nice to see you, paul. >> thanks. >> 34 minutes part the hour. >>> new york city police say the man being requested for allegedly pushing a man into the path of an oncoming train is implicating himself. there it is for you to see this be they're arguing on the subway platform. a "new york post" photographer who shot a controversial front-page photo of the man trying to climb up from the tracks is explaining himself. he's writing in today's paper, he says it's unfair for people to condemn him. he says, quote, i can't let the armchair critics bother me. they were not there. they have no idea how quick
from a fiscal cliff? >> congresswoman, i am a financial illiterate, can you explain to me how you have all encompassing tax reform without taking a look at tax rates? >> well, we have. we believe that we need tax reform. we'd like to look at tax rates, we'd like to look at the loopholes, the tax credits. we want a simpler, less costly tax code for america. that's important for middle class families, important for our economy. that is what's going to help get this economy growing again. but we also -- it also republicans believe it has to include the spending. and the way congress has operated in the past, you know, yeah, we'll increase revenue, but then there's never the protections, never the tough decisions to actually cut the spending, reduce the debt, and that has to be a part of this one. >> fair enough. arianna? >> congresswoman, in your thanksgiving message, twice you emphasize the need for jobs, the need for growth, and then you mentioned the deficit. what do you think we should be doing right now to help create jobs and bring about greater growth? >> well, one of the first thi
. >> as we continue to try to solve the fiscal cliff, the thing we have continued to look at is our economy. today in the whip's office we will have small family-owned businesses in there and talk about ways to protect the family business, continue to grow while at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. look, each and every day as we walk the halls, you continue to ask the questions. you want the answers to solving the fiscal cliff. we put the offer on the table and the president now has to engage. the next 72 hours are critical. if he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you the answer of where we're going. this is the opportunity for the country to lead and opportunity for the president to lead. >> as these fiscal cliff negotiations and debate continues, i think it's important to remember that washington doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem. and under this administration, under president obama, we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate, and yet he keeps demanding that we have seen record deficits and a record debt accum
the state of kentucky. senator paul, welcome, as always. i want to ask you about the fiscal cliff, the state of play. there's revenues on the table. there's tax rate increases on the table. i don't know if there's spending on the table. what's your thinking prigt now? >> that it's a really, really bad idea to raise taxes. if you want your economy to grow, you should do the opposite. we have to cut taxes. that's how i'd fix the economy. leave more money in the private sector. the president is adamant about raising taxes and he's dead wrong. >> there are some people saying we need a deal to avoid a huge tax increase but year end that would throw us into recession. just a thought, would you compromise in terms of let's say a smaller tax rate increase -- let's say the top rate goes to 37% instead of 40%, maybe the threshold goads es to $500,000 $750,000 rather than $250,000? does that interest you? >> no. but what about means testing for entitlement. why don't we say the rich get less social security and they pay more for their medicare? it meets the president's animus that we must get more mone
, appreciate it very much. >> thanks. >>> with just 26 days until we fall off the tax and fiscal cliff, two dozen house republicans have apparently defected from the boehner plan and signed a bipartisan letter with democrats. people are now asking is there a fallback position for the gop? well, here now to tell us is house majority whip california republican kevin mccarthy, the number three man. mr. mccarthy, as always, thank you for coming back on the show. can i get your comment on this letter, two dozen republicans, they're talking about tax rate flexibility along with a bunch of democrats. what's your take, sir? >> well, remember what they're saying here. what they're saying is that they're going to put everything on to the table. what we've been talking about for so long is where the president has been awol, this is a spending issue that we have a real problem with. we agree that we'll provide revenue, but we do not want to hurt a pro growth economy here. so it's how you go about it. that's why we think the rates have to be frozen. the other thing we're look at, the president says he w
of the fiscal cliff and they have determined that this could drive the economy into negative territory and lead back into a recession. that's the last thing we want to see. along the lines of growth, we need to be sure that we're not doing something here short-term that puts the economy back in a position where we're not generating the kind of revenue because there's a lack of growth, to be able to deal with these issues and to get our unemployment numbers down. in my view this recovery is not your father's recovery. it's different. and it's different than any recovery we've had in this country. if you look at even the recovery in 2001 to 2003, that time period, we called it the jobless recovery. and yet by this time in that recovery we'd already brought back 2.6 million jobs. so at this point after the recession began, 2.6 million jobs had returned. and that was considered jobless. if you look back at the recovery after the 1980 and 1981 recession which was a recession that was also deep in fact, unemployment rass higher than it was in the most recent recession, we were up 7.2 million jobs at
on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> it republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a the a time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i have just never seen anything like it. >> yes, indeed, it seems that republicans are not quite sure what to make of the president taking a harder line across the bargaining table. >> you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. the president's plan is just, quite frankly, a joke. >> i'm not sure about that, senator graham, but there will be plenty of time for jokes later this evening with every member of cong
to avoid the fiscal cliff is a thelma and louise theory. >> we're trying to get these guys to come together and reach an agreement that's going to be good for the country and for the economy. >> then what now? with democratic senator mark warner and kelli ayote. benghazi and obama's second term. with montana governor brian schweitzer, and former hewlett-packard ceo carly fiorina. and susan page of usa today. i am candy crowley. and this is "state of the union." republicans call the fiscal cliff plan a joke, an insult and break from reality. suffice it to say, it is unacceptable to them. the president's opening round offer includes $1.6 trillion in new taxes, $400 billion in savings from medicare and other entitlement programs, $50 billion in new stimulus spending, and an additional $285 billion to fund depreciation and mortgage programs, unemployment insurance benefits, and payroll tax cuts. >> this extra spending, that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it's -- it was not a serious proposal. >> while his aides were on capitol hill offering up the opening bid
house claim president obama is willing to take the nation over the fiscal cliff if he doesn't get his way with raising taxes on the rich. where does that leave republicans now with our entire economy potentially on the line? senator orrin hatch, known for reaching across the aisle joins us next. >> brian: then this brave auto zone employee saved his boss' life, taking down a violent gunman who tried to rob the store. they didn't just say thank you. they said, i have a better idea. you're fired. >> steve: you're out of the zone [ female announcer ] you spend weeks planning it. you spend all day cooking it. so why spend even a moment considering any broth but swanson? the broth cooks trust most to make the meal folks spend all year waiting for. in stuffing and more, the secret is swanson. @ meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 com
the fiscal cliff. no partisan ideology is worth the cost to our nation. but just averting the disaster and kicking the can on the tough, structural decisions needed to place our economy on a sound footing for the future is not enough. we are calling for a framework built out over the next ten years to reduce the deficit and restructure fiscal policy. so as eventually to bring the budget into balance. this framework must include tax reforms to raise more revenue, encourage growth and enhance progressivity. it must include parameters defining future levels of debt as a share of the gdp. and a date by which the budget will balance. and it must include changes to discretionary spending, entitlements as well as defense. our elected leaders should launch an expedited process to enact legislation that will construct this framework many 2013 -- in 2013, including powerful but appropriate default and enforcement mechanisms. without a recalibrated, sustainable fiscal policy, the united states' international standing will decline, and its national security will be undermined. such an outcome woul
at the polls, that the public would blame them if we go over the fiscal cliff by a 2 to 1 margin. so i would say that right now, and i think even republicans would stipulate this, wolf. the president has the leverage here, i mean, republicans also know that if they were to go over the cliff that the tax cuts on the wealthy would increase. you could come back and undue the tax cuts on the middle class expiring. but the president's in a pretty good bargaining position here, which is why you see him sort of hold firm. >> what leverage do the republicans have? >> well, look, i think it -- they understand that for some liberals going over the cliff is okay, because liberals say, you know what, we get those defense cuts we wouldn't get otherwise, and they believe the public would not like to see that, and i think at some point, wolf, you have to say, i don't know when it is, but at some point the president and his people as dana bash was just talking about, need to get to the negotiating table. let's be fair to the house speaker. he put a plan on the table that included revenues, substantial reven
of three months. what we need to be more focused on is to get through the fiscal cliff and get a deal done and lay the foundation for long-term fiscal reform. it is focused primarily on health care. >> senator, can you wait in on this? cbo, 10-year window, this is a requirement. congress needs to address these things. a roadmap, if you will. should we change the rules before we play the game? >> all of these extraordinary and practical ideas cannot survive in the cbo structure. that is a forcing mechanism. people are grasping onto ideas such as changing the age. people can easily explain it i and understand it instead of doing the more complex and difficult things that would get you where you want to go. i would be interested -- i have always opposed -- >> i did not hear that. >> directive scoring when it comes to cbo. i do think somehow and i think this is the governor's point, which is congress ignores a lot of stuff that makes sense. it gets wrapped up in its day- to-day activities. i honestly think you break out of this is if you get a white house and leadership in congress that are wi
economists were exactly correct. this could push the american economy off of a fiscal cliff, am i missing something here? can it be such a bad thing. not really said the cbo. if congress extents current policy the debt and deficit will increase slowing the economy and dramatically increasing interest costs. because of the deal congress and the president made last year it be result in across the board budget reductions still there will be no decreases in social security medicare and veteran's benefits. defense spending would take a big hit, but because of a windown in afghanistan some military leaders are asking for less than congress is willing to shell out. from 1990 to 1999 defense spending decreased by 1% a year. this weakened military is nonsense. jim we have like what 27,000 times to blow up the country with the next amount of nukes. >> and we still have massive armies in europe protecting them from a massive soviet union. >> yeah. >> korea is another issue -- we do need people there. >> stephanie: right, but he points out who is behind all of this fiscal cliff ca
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